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DinkumThinkum	Nov 6 2004, 12:24 AM Post #1=20
Hireling Group: = Members Posts:=20 17 Joined: 5-November 04 From: Luna Penal Colony Member = No.: 692=20	This is from a thread in the old Bethesda=20 Construction Set forum (before the change to the new forum = software).=20 Thought this might be a good new home for it. I've = finished=20 recreating the original thread; I don't have any more to add (for = the time=20 being).

DinkumThinkum	Nov 6 2004, 12:41 AM Post #2=20
Hireling Group: = Members Posts:=20 17 Joined: 5-November 04 From: Luna Penal Colony Member = No.: 692=20	DinkumThinkum = posted: There've been=20 some recent threads asking how to disable teleporting in a mod, = and most=20 of the responses have pointed out that the 'DisableTeleporting' = function=20 won't block teleporting using amulets, etc. Not sure if = I've just=20 reinvented the wheel , but it might be possible to simulate a = total block=20 on all teleports from an area by using a global script.=20 = -----------------------------------------------------------------= -----------=20 Use GetPCCell to check the player's current location. = As=20 long as they're in one of the mod cells, nothing happens. = If=20 they're not where they're supposed to be, then the script = teleports them=20 back into the correct area: back to the initial entry point for = the mod,=20 for example. This wouldn't be exactly the same as blocking = the=20 teleports, but it should (unless I've overlooked something) make = the area=20 totally inescapeable until you've fulfilled the modder's = conditions for=20 getting out legitimately.=20 = -----------------------------------------------------------------= -----------=20 Something like this: 1. When the player is = teleported (or=20 whatever) to the 'No teleporting out' area, use StartScript to = start the=20 global 'Teleport blocker' script. 2. The script = continuously (once=20 a minute?) uses GetPCCell to see if the PC is still where he's = supposed to=20 be. a. If the PC is in the right place, the script returns = without=20 doing anything. b. If the PC isn't in one of the designated = cells,=20 then the global script uses Position or PositionCell to teleport = them back=20 to the starting location for the mod. 3. Once the player=20 successfully completes the mod quest (or whatever is necessary to = get free=20 of the area), then use StopScript to stop the 'Teleport blocker' = script=20 and teleports start working normally.=20 = -----------------------------------------------------------------= -----------=20 Not exactly the same as disabling teleports, but it would = have the=20 same end result: the player can't leave the mod's area until he = meets the=20 conditions set by the modder. If I'm not overlooking = something,=20 this should completely block use of teleport rings, Emma's travel = agency=20 mod, 'coc' from the console, and any other possible means of = escape. The=20 only way to get out of the area early would be to use the console = to=20 StopScript the teleport blocker script (or reload a saved game = before you=20 started the mod).=20 = -----------------------------------------------------------------= -----------=20 Thinking more: If it's a big mod, with several = different=20 areas, you could use Journal entries to keep track of which parts = of the=20 mod the player has completed. Then the global script could use the = Journal=20 entries to teleport the player back to the right area if he tries = to=20 leave. For example: If you don't have the journal entry = for=20 completing Lost Island 1, then you get teleported back to Lost = Island 1.=20 If you've completed Lost Island 1 and 2, but not 3, then you'd get = teleported back to Lost Island=20 = 3. ---------------------------------------------------------------= ------------- If=20 I just reinvented the wheel, somebody please let me know! I don't = remember=20 seeing this suggested in the recent threads on disabling = teleports, but my=20 creaky brain and memory may have missed something! Anyway, = I just=20 tried a quick and dirty test=20 = script: ----------------------------------------------------------= ------------------ CODE Begin=20 DT_Test_BalmoraTrap If ( GetPCCell, "Balmora" = =3D=3D 1=20 ) = Return Endif MessageBox "Off=20 to Balmora with you!" Player->PositionCell, = -21278,=20 -17613, 534, 0, "Balmora (-3, -3)" End=20 = DT_Test_BalmoraTrap -------------= --------------------------------------------------------------- Wo= rked=20 perfectly! Ran the script (with the console) in Seyda = Neen, and my=20 character was immediately teleported to Balmora. Once = there, my=20 character could not leave Balmora. Tried walking out, guild guide, = silt=20 strider, and 'coc' from the console. As soon as I entered a = non-Balmora=20 cell I was teleported immediately back to Balmora. This was = a new=20 character, straight off the ship, so I didn't have spells or items = for=20 Recall, Intervention, etc. But the above script should work as = well=20 against those as it did for the travel methods I tested. = -------------------- Modder = resources: PotionSaver script for Companions and other=20 NPCs Teleport disable/trap and banishment=20 scripts

DinkumThinkum	Nov 6 2004, 12:44 AM Post #3=20
Hireling Group: = Members Posts:=20 17 Joined: 5-November 04 From: Luna Penal Colony Member = No.: 692=20	Mode_Locrian posted: Hey, = that's=20 pretty cool. I've never heard of anyone coming up with a solution = to the=20 'teleportation via scripts isn't blocked by disable teleportation" = problem=20 before. You didn't reinvent the wheel, as far as I know... if = someone=20 invented the wheel before you, I didn't hear about it.=20 = -----------------------------------------------------------------= -----------=20 Nigedo posted: I reckon that's pretty sharp = Thinkum. Now you point it out, it's sort of obvious, but I've = never heard=20 anyone suggest it before and it wouldn't have occurred to me to = look for a=20 workaround to that issue. Thanks. =

DinkumThinkum	Nov 6 2004, 12:49 AM Post #4=20
Hireling Group: = Members Posts:=20 17 Joined: 5-November 04 From: Luna Penal Colony Member = No.: 692=20	DinkumThinkum posted: = One^H^H^H two=20 minor weaknesses I just thought of: 1. If the player has a = companion, the companion would be left behind if the player tried = to=20 travel out of the area: the teleport blocker script would bring = the player=20 back but not the companion. Wouldn't be a problem if the = companion=20 was part of the mod using the script, since they could just be = added into=20 the script. But companions from other mods would get separated = from the=20 player's character. But I don't see that as a major issue; = can't=20 expect all mods to be 100% companion friendly. 2. The = teleport=20 blocker script will only block attempts to teleport out of the = designated=20 area. The player would still be able to use Mark and Recall within = that=20 area; he just wouldn't be able to Recall out of the area. = I don't=20 see that as likely to be a major problem, as long as modders are = aware of=20 it; I think that keeping somebody in an area is probably the main = reason=20 modders want to block teleports. And if anybody else spots = glitches in this, post away!=20 = -----------------------------------------------------------------= -----------=20 Some thought for any modders who might use this: = 1.=20 'GetPCCell' accepts partial matches, so 'Balmora', 'Balmora, Guild = of=20 Mages', and 'Balmora, Lucky Lockup' are all considered part of = Balmora and=20 don't trigger the teleport blocking. So if the mod = involves=20 several cells, just name them so they're identified as part of the = same=20 region and the PC should be able to move around the area without = being=20 unexpectedly teleported. 2. I didn't do a lot of testing = on this,=20 but it's so simple I can't really think of any way to stress test = it. My=20 guess is that it might be completely bulletproof: either the = player does=20 what's needed to stop the script from running, or he's trapped in = Balmora=20 for the rest of eternity. :twisted: So, I strongly = recommend being=20 very very sure to thoroughly debug any mod that uses the teleport = blocker=20 script. And including a failsafe way to stop the script and exit = the mod's=20 area even if the player totally fouls up any quests, etc. would = probably=20 be a good idea.

DinkumThinkum	Nov 6 2004, 12:53 AM Post #5=20
Hireling Group: = Members Posts:=20 17 Joined: 5-November 04 From: Luna Penal Colony Member = No.: 692=20	ManaUser posted: I've got a = glitch.=20 What if two mods do this at once? Not too likely, but suppose in = one of=20 the mods, the "trap" area is entered by a teleport amulet.=20 DinkumThinkum posted: Good point! I hadn't = even=20 thought about the possibilities of two mods with this being = installed at=20 the same time. Hmmm.... With a little care, conflicts like = this=20 should be avoidable. (I think...) 1. Don't trigger the = teleport=20 blocker script by simply entering the trap area; the PC has to = actually=20 interact with something: NPC, a door, whatever. That prevents the = PC from=20 triggering a second trap area by trying to travel out of one he's = already=20 in. 2. The activator that triggers the script can't be = portable.=20 That way the player can't use it to trigger a second trap script = while=20 he's already under the influence of another one. That = should=20 prevent triggering more traps once one trap script is already = running,=20 unless a modder screws up and has a trigger for one trap area = inside an=20 area trapped by another trap script in his own mod... 3. = To reduce=20 the chance of conflicts even more: only set a teleport blocker = script to=20 trap areas that are added by your mod: a dungeon, island, new = continent,=20 etc. Don't put traps around areas that are already part of the = game.=20 That way, you don't have to worry about another modder = putting his=20 trap activator inside the area you've put a trap around. I = think=20 those restrictions would stop most possibilities of conflicts = between mods=20 using this technique, and shouldn't be very limiting for modders.=20 From what I've seen, I think most modders want to block = teleports=20 for things like trapping somebody in a dungeon or a deserted = island, and=20 making them stay there until they've solved a quest, fought their = way=20 clear, or something along those lines. I could think of = neat=20 quests where you'd be trapped in an existing city until you = completed a=20 quest, but those would have too much chance of conflicting with = other mods=20 using the same type of teleport blocking script.=20 = -----------------------------------------------------------------= -----------=20 Finally: Keep in mind that people have been = beating their=20 heads over this as far back as I can remember; I just had this = brainstorm=20 a little over 12 hours ago! Also: I am not at all one of = the=20 scripting gurus here! This is very much an idea in the = earliest=20 stages; I'm sure there are other glitches to be discovered, but I = think=20 this is at least a decent start to solving the problem of blocking = item,=20 console, and script teleports. That wasn't meant to be = defensive,=20 but just to remind everybody this idea is still an extremely new = idea, and=20 I don't have all the answers! Which is why I asked for any = glitches that=20 people think of: so maybe we can work together and see if this can = be=20 shaped up into a solid technique for general modding use. =

DinkumThinkum

Nov 6 2004, 01:09 AM

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Neko posted:

not bad, not = bad at=20 all... of course many players will hate you but hey, it'd be nice = to make=20 an escape-proof jail for once.

coupla things i'd like to = say,=20

1. you'll have to to the warping to a fixed location (as = in your=20 demo script). variable teleporting in morrowind just has so many = issues=20 trust me you don't wanna open that hornet's nest.

2. yes = it is=20 kinda sucky for companions. how about a little warning before they = get=20 teleported? like a "if you don't return to crassius curio's = quarters, you=20 will be returned there by force!" sorta message. that at least = gives the=20 player the chance to turn around and head back.

3. i'd = advise=20 adding a

condition at the top there... = perhaps=20 i'm being needlessly superstitious when it comes to morrowind = scripting,=20 but then again, perhaps there is good reason to be superstitious = around=20 morrowind scripting *cough*Random, 256*cough*

-Neko=20

DinkumThinkum posted:

Neko, =

Excellent=20 suggestions! I particularly like your idea about a message, so the = player=20 has a chance to go back on their own first.

As I've said = before,=20 I'm not one of the scripting gurus here: sometimes I get a bright = idea,=20 but I don't do much in the way of actual scripting.

The = scripts=20 I'm posting here are just meant as quick and dirty proof of = concept=20 demo scripts: they'd need more work before being used in an actual = mod.

CODE
if ( MenuMode =3D=3D 1=20 = ) Return endif

DinkumThinkum	Nov 6 2004, 01:17 AM Post #7=20
Hireling Group: = Members Posts:=20 17 Joined: 5-November 04 From: Luna Penal Colony Member = No.: 692=20	Limorkil posted: Just = extending this=20 idea a little .... I am working on a script that detects = whether=20 the player is 'as good as dead' and teleports him/her to the = nearest safe=20 location. (I actually wanted to detect when the player dies, but = this does=20 not work.) Seems to me that the weakness of your teleport = trap=20 idea, if any, is that you always come back to the same location. = That is=20 not a problem if the trap area is small, but it could be an issue = if the=20 area is large, like a huge dungeon. One way around this could be = to use=20 the same method that I am employing in my death teleport mod:=20 Create a global variable, e.g. SafeLoc Attach scripts = to=20 objects (e.g. light fixtures) in various locations. Each script = checks for=20 the player being nearby. When the player is in range the global = gets set=20 to a unique number for that area. When the player teleports = out, the=20 script that teleports him back checks the value of the global in = order to=20 teleport the player back to an area near where he/she was last.=20 This way you have more than one location that the player = can be=20 sent back to.

DinkumThinkum

Nov 6 2004, 01:26 AM

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Curmudgeon posted:

Have been = doing=20 some experimenting with Dinkum Thinkum's "Disabling teleport = amulets in=20 specific areas" script idea for a mod I'm making and have some = information=20 that might be useful. If nothing at all is of use, please forgive = this=20 neophyte scripter. This is just one example of a script which has = a lot of=20 potential. THANK YOU, Dinkum Thinkum, who also helped me in a = couple of=20 detailed PMs.

1. The cells created for the mod should have = a=20 "parent cell", like DinkumThinkum's Balmora example. The other = cells in=20 the mod need only have that cell's name followed by a comma and = the rest=20 of the name. Without this "parent" cell (which doesn't even need = anything=20 in it) you have to string the cell names together in an if ... = elseif ...=20 elseif construction, though that works, too. I used "Mephala's = Web" for=20 this and have another five cells or so with the same prefix. Works = just=20 fine.

2. If you want to grab players and send them = somewhere if=20 they try to escape using Almsivi Intervention or Divine = Intervention, the=20 new cells in your mod have to be connected to the original MW = world by=20 doors, rather than activators with scripts teleporting the player = into=20 them. And for some inscrutable reason these doors must be = functioning ones=20 that you actually use to travel in the mod -- doors placed in the = void=20 invisible to the player don't seem to do the trick, even if you = assign a=20 teleport location to them. If this door condition is not met, the = two=20 Interventions just fizzle out where the player is standing and no=20 teleporting takes place -- the NoEscape script doesn't kick in = either. If=20 this condition is met, no problem -- you have the player right = where you=20 want him.

3. This script prevents mod-made teleporting = items from=20 allowing players to escape the restricted area. I did a lot of=20 experimenting with this and the script was always successful in = grabbing=20 the player by the collar and putting him back where he belonged. = Here=20 Neko's suggestion is a sound one as you are in MenuMode when you = equip=20 such an item. Once a player leaves MenuMode, your MessageBox pops = up and=20 he is sent back to the place that the NoEscape script specifies.=20

4. Tested Mark and Recall. As Dinkum Thinkum observes = these can be=20 used effectively within the restricted area, but if an escape = attempt is=20 made, the player is teleported right back where you want him. =

5. I=20 have the NoEscape script starting when the player passes through = the first=20 door into the new cells created for my quest mod and stopping when = he=20 passes through the last door and back into the original MW world. = Works=20 just fine in repeated in-game testing and didn't muck up anything, = though=20 I wasn't playing with any other mods activated. You would probably = have to=20 be very careful using this script on cells in the original MW = world.=20

6. Haven't tested this at all with companions. =

Hope this=20 proved to be useful. Here's the code. Not much to it, but it = really does=20 the job.

=

CODE

Begin=20 WMephalaNoEscape

if ( MenuMode =3D=3D 1 = )

=20 return

endif

if ( GetPCCell, = "Mephala's=20 Web" =3D=3D 1 )

return

else

MessageBox, = "Fool! ...=20 (a nasty message from Mephala)", "OK"

player -> = (Some=20 really awful stuff that results in the player's death and = which=20 works just fine.)

player -> PositionCell, -64, = -64, -128,=20 45 "Mephala's Web, = Decay"

endif

End

DinkumThinkum	Nov 6 2004, 02:05 AM Post #9=20
Hireling Group: = Members Posts:=20 17 Joined: 5-November 04 From: Luna Penal Colony Member = No.: 692=20	DinkumThinkum posted: = Curmudgeon,=20 Thanks for the detailed report on this! It should be = helpful for=20 anybody else tackling a project that involves trapping the player=20 character in specific area. When I came up with the idea, = I did=20 some testing (in Balmora) to see if it worked, but never went any = further=20 with it. I've thought of one or two mod ideas that I could use it = for, but=20 I haven't had time to do anything. One thing in your = script:=20 ... player -> (Some really awful stuff that results in = the=20 player's death and which works just fine.) player -> = PositionCell,=20 -64, -64, -128, 45 "Mephala's Web, Decay" ... If the = first=20 line above really does kill off the player, the second line won't = do=20 anything because the player is now dead. The second line = is useful=20 if you want to keep the player alive but trapped. If you just want = to kill=20 them horribly if they try to leave the dungeon without permission, = you=20 don't need the PositionCell line. Thanks again for the = feedback. I'm glad somebody's found a use for the script and that = it's=20 working OK for you. Curmudgeon posted: = Thanks, as=20 always. DinkumThinkum. I need the PositionCell line in the = script=20 because that's where the player actually dies, eaten by piranha. = The line=20 above just weakens him a whole lot. DinkumThinkum = posted:=20 Ok; that makes sense now. Boy, you are one mean, = nasty=20 modder! Curmudgeon posted: Thanks. = I'm=20 posting because the information I provided in Condition #2 above = needs to=20 be corrected. The group of new cells in a mod which uses this = script must=20 each contain a doormarker from another cell and a functioning door = which=20 connects it to another cell. The door may be in the void which the = player=20 can not see, but it must have its teleport set to another cell. = The parent=20 cell, however, doesn't need this unless the player will actually = go to it.=20 If you satisfy this condition the two Interventions will be dealt = with by=20 the script. If not they will just fizzle out. Put another way, = depending=20 on teleporting through the use of activators rather than doors = will=20 disable the Interventions whether you use this script or not.=20 = -----------------------------------------------------------------= -----------=20 Something I didn't post in the original thread:=20 Adding to Curmudgeon's last comments: The two = Intervention=20 spells both transport a character to the nearest temple or = cult=20 altar. In an exterior cell, that's just a matter of calculating = distance=20 based on the character's current position on the exterior map. = But=20 interior cells are not on the exterior map: each interior = cell is=20 in its own private universe. So, to come up with a current = location on the=20 exterior map, the game needs to be able to follow a chain of = teleport=20 (travel, door, etc.) markers from the current interior cell until = it finds=20 a marker on the exterior map. I haven't used it, but, = according to=20 the Help file, one of the 'World Testing' options in the = Construction Set=20 checks for interior cells that aren't linked to the rest of the = game world=20 by teleport markers. (I have no idea how the game chooses = an=20 Intervention destination when an interior cell has travel markers = leading=20 to more than one part of the extior map, but I would guess that it = just=20 uses whichever one it finds first.) =

DinkumThinkum	Nov 6 2004, 02:22 AM Post #10 =
Hireling Group: = Members Posts:=20 17 Joined: 5-November 04 From: Luna Penal Colony Member = No.: 692=20	DinkumThinkum posted: Just = had another=20 brainstorm, triggered by something I saw in another thread. = Not=20 only do we sometimes get requests from people who want to disable=20 teleports so they can trap the player character in an area, but we = also=20 get occasional requests from people who want to keep the player = character=20 out of a certain area until they meet some condition. I = just=20 realized that my 'Teleport Trap' script can do this too. All it = takes is a=20 minor modification to the original script, and we now have a = 'Banishment'=20 demo script: CODE Begin=20 DT_BanishedFromVivec ;start this script from the = console to=20 keep player character out of Vivec. If ( GetPCCell, = "Vivec"=20 =3D=3D 1 ) MessageBox "You have been banished! = Begone, foul one!" Player -> = PositionCell,=20 -21278, -17613, 534, 0, "Balmora (-3,=20 -3)" EndIf End = DT_BanishedFromVivec Just tested = this in the game, and it worked fine: tried entering Vivec by Silt = Strider, Gondola, Teleport, and flying in on my own. I was = immediately=20 banished to Balmora as soon as a Vivec cell loaded. If this = script=20 is used to banish a player from an area added by the mod it's used = in,=20 there should be very little chance of conflicts with any other = mods using=20 the same type of banishment script. I would not recommend = using=20 this to banish the player character from any areas already in the = game:=20 too many chances of breaking something in the game, interfering = with other=20 mods, etc. (I used Vivec for my demo because it was convenient, = but I=20 wouldn't banish the player from Vivec in a real mod.) But = if you=20 just want to keep the player from landing on your 'Secret Island' = or from=20 entering your 'Dungeon of Hideous Monstrosities' until he's met = your=20 conditions, this technique shouldn't interfere with anything else = in the=20 game. Start the script to keep the PC out of the area, and stop it = (from=20 dialogue, for example) when you're ready to let him = in. Added=20 today: The 'Banishment' script is also just a proof = of=20 concept demo script. The comments in previous posts about menu = mode=20 checks, companion issues, etc. also apply to this script. = -------------------- Modder = resources: PotionSaver script for Companions and other=20 NPCs Teleport disable/trap and banishment=20 scripts

DinkumThinkum	Nov 6 2004, 03:04 AM Post #11 =
Hireling Group: = Members Posts:=20 17 Joined: 5-November 04 From: Luna Penal Colony Member = No.: 692=20	A couple of recent thoughts on these = scripts and=20 their possibilities: The 'teleport disable/trap' script = almost has=20 to be a global script, since the script needs to be able to grab = the=20 player and drag them back no matter where they go on the map. You = probably=20 could also attach the script to a cursed item that the = player can't=20 get rid of until they fulfill some condition. However, the = banishment script does not need to be a global script: it = could be=20 attached to an activator in the off-limits area, and it would only = run=20 when the activator's cell was loaded. Keep in mind that = the local=20 script will stop running as soon as the character is teleported = away from=20 the cell with the activator. For example: To = prevent the=20 player from reaching your 'Secret Island' until they completed a = quest,=20 you could just put an activator with a banishment script on the = island. As=20 long as the player hadn't finished the quest, the script would = teleport=20 the player away anytime they tried to enter the island's cell or = one of=20 the adjacent cells (nine cells total). You could just dump = the=20 player into the ocean near the island, and have a message box pop = up with=20 "Strong winds drive you from the island and hurl you into the = sea!".=20 = -----------------------------------------------------------------= -----------=20 You could use the two scripts in conjuction with one = another:=20 First, a banishment script keeps you out of the 'Awful = Dungeon of=20 Horrible Torment" until you complete one quest. Once you = complete=20 the quest and reach the 'Awful Dungeon...', a trap script keeps = you there=20 until you complete a second quest.=20 = -----------------------------------------------------------------= -----------=20 And that's all I have to say on the subject for the = moment! :!:

Regan	Dec 5 2004, 12:53 AM Post #12 =
Hireling Group: = Members Posts:=20 1 Joined: 5-December 04 From: France Member No.: 721=20	Can anybody help? I'm trying to = remove all=20 intervention scrolls from the PC's inventory using a script. = How=20 should I do this, using GetItemCount, or is there another way? = Any=20 suggestions would be appreciated. =

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